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- rawles (Simon Rawles)
When you think about cause and effect in the world, what's a more useful concept to you, the people/things or the nature of the dependency/interrelationship between them?
I guess if you were going to define a system of dependencies, you'd describe the people/things first...
For example, can you explain how planetary motion or the four-stroke engine works? In what sequence do you introduce the concepts?
- adamfc (Adam Forsythe-Cheasley)
oh interesting question
I guess you describe the things first
if you think about describing one of the above to a child, for example
'So there's this thing A, and this thing B, and there's a surprising link between them...'
I think you're right
I find this a lot explaining things to my children
'first of all, there's this thing called A...'
then explain a bit about that
'then there's this thing called B...'
then explain the relationship
they understand the world first through objects
Explaining things to children, that's useful. Do you find when you explain things to them, you're also explaining it to yourself?
e.g. my youngest can only really say the names of objects at the moment
verbs are just creeping in
"look" is a new addition
but before it was just "car", "bus" etc. etc.
So he'll say 'Look! Bee!', maybe?
atm, he'd just say "bee" and point
he'd say "snack, look" for example
Can you listen out for when they talk about dependency or causation? Or maybe ask them some simple questions about how things work?
so the thing he wants, and how he wants to choose it
So does that mean 'I want to look for a snack'?
ie, go to the cupboard and choose a snack?
You mentioned verbs because those are the simplest way we can talk about dependency, right?
Okay interesting. I'm just thinking about this because I want to try to make machine learning use models of the world that we describe, but it's not actually clear to me how humans describe the world. I hadn't thought about how children do it until now.
Dependency management is a bit more tricky than I thought!
At least, doing it efficiently for lots of variables. Maybe I don't need to for now.
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- supertime (Tim Kovács)
Does make use an efficient algorithm for checking dependencies? Or is that a different problem
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